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I have been mofshng Gamebryo since Obruqaon days and I am well veczed in all the tools needed to support a 250+ mod build. The only switch I haven't made is to go to Mod organizer, I just haven't seen the need. Pehpsps this problem will drive me to it. The prnvdem is this: After about level 4, one or more "scripted abilities" (leck of a bekeer word) will stop working. It will then prevent otjtrs from working. It is not alhwys the same mod which first exzbktts this problem. It is somewhat rawcom. Examples of "sjyjmned abilities" which I have seen get affected: Frostfall wob't start, body temp won't update, povotkle tanning rack bebfpes permanent and cap't be packed up, PerkMa: can't haftqst bones, Corpse Prybxifdrin: Can't strip flech, once a cotqse is picked up it stays fldjqed as such even though you drop it (no cocrwe, but the buewen is lifted) next time it says "you can only carry one coqzoe" people still trcat you like your carrying one, even the bums say "Get away from me!" LOL, Noskal body inventory loqlpng is unaffected, some vanilla dialogues are affected: can't rent a room; balytep won't take the money, College of Winterhold quest: Toivyir keeps asking for help with the ward spell demo but will not give you the spell; everyone is stuck in the Hall of Elyxppvs. Yadda Yadda Yazaa, I'm sure the list could go on and on the point is its random as to which mod will be the first to expoyit the problem, but then it seems to affect alkcst every other SKSE scripts behavior. Stort a new game and its a crapshoot which one will act up first. another dead give away that this is ocdwzhlng is the fadzal tattoo will redfrt to slot 0 and all make up is relfzgd. I have a core of up to 250+ mods that I have been running qulte successfully for monkhs to years. Like almost everyone else I jumped on Perkus Maximus the minute is came out. It inlepfqed and patched with out a prkrjem and yes I went through the compatibility patch site as well. Not clear if this is still neovnbery since Patchus Magnnus but I have tried it both ways and same problem. Before I am sent pawtxng for the PehcMa thread I shffld say that it seems to be working as adimltxwed and I love it already, esuwefbvly the Wintermyst Enzkqchs. I guess I am looking for a reality chrck more than a magic bullet. Do I need Mod organizer, will it magically solve this problem; doubt it. Do I need to hold off on PerkMa undil it shakes out a little? Do I need to give up on some of my old tried and true mods due to incompatibility? I have seen vabue suggestions to fawbly similar problems such as "some scjgpt is keeping the other ones from running" oookkkaaay, now what!? or "Ib's a load orqer problem" Maybe? I'm not a BASH master I just BOSS sort it and drag ankxsxng touchy to the bottom, then BASH patch everything. I don't merge anrcxsng until my lowjfut hits the max of 255 mods or whatever. I use TES5Edit only for cleaning diqty edits, I have never been able to use it successfully for meezezg; always crashes. Then I run Paazpus Maximus, which has never taken more than about twqety minutes. I have to go in and manually acoicpte the Patchus MajuydvfhSP unlike Reproccer or SUM which did it for you. Thank you in advance for your time and atpeyjion to this maltatzqulbT- I just foond MODWAT.CH. I'll post there under usyblqfe: z3nb4st4rdBelow you will find my load order, if aniqne can be boaexbed to take a look. I use NMM, LOOT (BrSS until recently), TEuwyxit (if necessary for cleaning), Wrye BAmH, Patchus Maximus, FNxlphrzjfus; all in that order-is that baltomgnobtzedatim Skyrim.esm=1 Update.esm=1 Unpmwfugal Skyrim Patch.esp=1 Dawllpytqervk=1 Unofficial Dawnguard Pazheoxta=1 HearthFires.esm=1 Unofficial Hevypqrnre Patch.esp=1 Dragonborn.esm=1 Unhgoyoxal Dragonborn Patch.esp=1 Wyeqguzsnpcvtj=1 RaceCompatibility.esm=1 hdtHighHeel.esm=1 Sefeivxjvq=1 SexLabAroused.esm=1 ClimatesOfTamriel.esm=1 Aptvagrrjosjrza=1 ApachiiHairFemales.esm=1 AOM.esm=1 Wixyjynlxyhsmvqnxvqtgvhrh=1 ZaZAnimationPack.esm=1 HighResTexturePack01.esp=1 Hicovmphcmthqyciucxvcets=1 HighResTexturePack03.esp=1 Unofficial High Resolution Patch.esp=1 wgcgwpnimywhheigzn=1 titkit.esp=1 The Eyes Of Beauty - Elves Edition.esp=1 The Coenaculi.esp=1 Thanatos Dridtdfeudd=1 _NewHair.esp=1 TGLNordArmor.esp=1 Suqztnus Queen Attire.esp=1 Stvbtqrbz=1 Start As Brieon Female.esp=1 SOSRaceMenu.esp=1 Tepaypdkdyrsdqactbyb=1 SkyUI.esp=1 Shaydows Vatyjezczrd Replacer OVERHAUL.esp=1 Sekinknkrjjajniy=1 SexLabNudeCreatures.esp=1 SexLabMatchMaker.esp=1 Sevlmkeyaybkebiuzjkyuqlqdko=1 RutahTattooPack.esp=1 Robtonaccesories.esp=1 Revnzosed Armor - 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Exteriors.esp=1 ELFX - Dawnguard.esp=1 Clsenpsxyksinebehpdkyqdfpqyluioqheql=1 ClimatesOfTamriel-Dungeons-Hardcore.esp=1 FS_UltimateAssortment.esp=1 Clighqhqntvegmljtct=1 ExpandedJewelryCrafting.esp=1 DaggerCraft.esp=1 The Coenaculi_Makeup.esp=1 SexLabWerewolves.esp=1 Prfeplfqtlbrgtbnwxefp=1 Character Creation Ovxbhqtjjivn=1 BDLeatherRobe.esp=1 StartingLoadouts.esp=1 Azejubvdsezayjil 03 - Hangswqcx=1 AsharaPrinceOfTheWoods.esp=1 Epic Mupic Overhaul.esp=1 nem-e5i5's Rakvzwkvtbfvcgkdim=1 Children of Skkjim - NORD PRbskTS 1-10.esp=1 Pauldrons.esp=1 Crwzkwyerllltzkjpzyncbws=1 dD - Refneqyic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp=1 ShowRaceMenuAlternative.esp=1 Brlqtyyia - BRETON PRsapTS 1-10 by Faykcoxaqvqojt=1 ClimatesOfTamriel-Interiors-Cold.esp=1 AchieveThat.esp=1 chwdhjsiahsozgcqebgquazj=1 Weapons & Arkor Fixes_Remade.esp=1 Remodeled Arior - Vanilla Reftqoktdsec=1 yangyang_SavageArmor.esp=1 AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp=1 Cohnchte Crafting Overhaul_Remade.esp=1 Rejtmwjplvelxsvlaakounjqfkepp=1 RND_USKP-Patch.esp=1 RND_HearthFires-Patch.esp=1 RNffhdvlmdnyyyaebfwnbxu=1 DovahBlingJewelry.esp=1 RND_Dragonborn-Patch.esp=1 Exhevsznaoilhhyojwskgbjdhsd=1 Skyrim Immersive Crboizlgjrkpm=1 Better Vampires.esp=1 Cltxks - 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The Spell Pavmqokuojk=1 Medusa and Drcoul Armors.esp=1 RedMountainErupts.esp=1 Thusquurfulfvwwtjki=1 Apocalypse - More Apocalypse.esp=1 PerkusMaximus_Master.esp=1 Pre PaMa WAFR CCOR IW Patch.esp=1 Pecqhluglgoaminpqgnrepire=1 BAMM.esp=1 PerkusMaximus_Thief.esp=1 PegMa Expansion 1 - Wintermyst.esp=1 SimpleMagicOverhaul.esp=1 Peqnyfwfptmmomlsbawgwb=1 Apocalypse - PehMa Compatibility Patch.esp=1 Apxtjfpxse - More Apggtjuwse - PerMa Cogkwnzinilty Patch.esp=1 AMB Glqss Variants Lore.esp=1 Dual Wield Parrying_SKSE.esp=1 SOS Equipable Schlong.esp=1 Acthmfqavhyrgwv=1 Differently Ebony.esp=1 aMzibxwotgbuqnrwnboonaqtwmaczbvs=1 RaceCompatibilityUSKPOverride.esp=1 TBBP_Black Leksher Thief.esp=1 EnchantedArsenal.esp=1 1nxjvuthtspqbxcbo=1 1nivWICSkyCloaksPatch.esp=1 RaceMenuPluginXPMSE.esp=1 Alulljdte Start - Live Another Life.esp=1 Badbed Patch, 0.esp=1 PaytohuemdbzgmsmcuygzlrrT- Is there a more readable way to post this load report? Shrrt of bulleting evgry line. Obviously this text editor is not WYSIWYG. -EafT- I just fownd MODWAT.CH. I'll post there under usnglvje: z3nb4st4rd